tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9684236.post114881476176860729..comments2023-10-16T06:10:24.969-04:00Comments on Julie Unplugged: Weighing in on Da Vinci CodeAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00088119765077193302noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9684236.post-1149177549415549722006-06-01T11:59:00.000-04:002006-06-01T11:59:00.000-04:00Julie, thanks for a well-written view~ I suspect i...Julie, thanks for a well-written view~ I suspect it's easy for people to go off onto all kinds of rabbit trails when one tries to make a specific point on these kinds of hot-button issues, but I think I got the point you were trying to make.<BR/><BR/>Though I'm not Catholic, and haven't read the book yet (so don't know how Catholics would feel on the subject), I did happen to fall into a conversation about DVC with a few of my friends who are nuns. <BR/> <BR/>Their attitude was, "Who knows? Could be!" <BR/><BR/>From what is being said here, I guess that's an unusual pov? <BR/>They were quite open to the ideas they'd read in this fictitious book; it seems to resound with a part of us that registers a truth in it. It might not be truth, but it works in many like truth. <BR/><BR/>There are a lot of things in biblical history that seem odd to us, maybe even unfair, and this book seems to hit on them. It <I>is</I> a great opportunity to delve into our perceptions and facts and beliefs.Christine Boleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11898338520193338598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9684236.post-1148869011836399432006-05-28T22:16:00.000-04:002006-05-28T22:16:00.000-04:00I'm pretty much in the same place re: seeing DVC a...I'm pretty much in the same place re: seeing DVC as more a cultural phenomenon than as a source of trenchant theological insight. And even from the conspiracy-theory angle, DVC is pretty cookie-cutter stuff. I imagine that the intrigues are even more convoluted and multi-threaded than Brown had the time to fully explore in the process of putting together his pot-boiler. :o)<BR/><BR/>It's fun to read the thoughtful comments of some of your other acquaintances!David Blakesleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12167200509158903679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9684236.post-1148861390870164072006-05-28T20:09:00.000-04:002006-05-28T20:09:00.000-04:00Julie, this is a great thread that you've got goin...Julie, this is a great thread that you've got going here. I have not yet seen the movie (preferring instead to wait until the DVD is released, when my wife and I can watch it and discuss it without upsetting anyone in the seats around us with our conversation).<BR/><BR/>You wrote, "Why do people like this alternative? Have we looked at our own story with the level of scrutiny that we are applying here?" I am currently in the process -- have been for a few years now, in fact -- of looking at our story with a great deal of scrutiny. If I'm going to do justice to myself in this search, it goes without saying that I should spend as much time as possible looking at all sides of the story. While DVC hasn't played directly into my search/study at this point, I have read the book and found the theories that Brown utilizes to be interesting (and, for the conspiracy nut in me, quite compelling).<BR/><BR/>I don't think it's enough to change my faith or the direction of my own journey, but I enjoy hearing what others think and being challenged by other theories.<BR/><BR/>And, above all else, I love a good page-turner!<BR/><BR/>Keep up the great work on this blog -- I love it!NoVA Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661990626635939447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9684236.post-1148851975689504242006-05-28T17:32:00.000-04:002006-05-28T17:32:00.000-04:00Wow both Petersons in one day!Listen, I am fully a...Wow both Petersons in one day!<BR/><BR/>Listen, I am fully aware that the book is a mostly ham-handed conspiracy theory novel and that that fact accounts for much of its intrigue and enjoyment. Total beach read in that sense. Agreed.<BR/><BR/>Otoh, I hang out in quarters you might not and there is also a huge undercurrent of fascination with all things theological as they appear in popular culture... This book most definitely taps into that vein in a provocative way (not just sex sells, but religion too).<BR/><BR/>The DVC offers a perception of Jesus that speaks of his humanity in a way many people relate to (regardless of the veracity of the claims). <BR/><BR/>Additionally, it challenges the idea that one body holds the correct version of the Jesus story and that others must be challenged and silenced.<BR/><BR/>I was just with a friend last weekend (Jewish) who said to me that her biggest stumbling block about Jesus has always been that he had never married. How can we relate to him as fully human when he was so different than us as portrayed by the Bible? The idea of a married Jesus humanized him for her. She literally said she didn't care about all the books written to overturn that idea. This book opened a different imaginative possibility to consider.<BR/><BR/>Hmm.<BR/><BR/>My original point is this: that the factual debunking of DVC is not adequate to overthrow the power of the fictionalized narrative (imagined alternative narrative) of Jesus's life and the meaning of it.<BR/><BR/>We gotta ask why... or not. But since theology is my gig, I like to ask why. Why do people like this alternative? Have we looked at our own story with the level of scrutiny that we are applying here? Had these ideas been presented in a less page-turning novel, I agree - might not have made a dent in the universe. But these ideas have been written in a compelling, page-turner and the net effect is that many people like something of the story itself, not just the mystery solved. And sex? Come on. Ritualized sex does not a compelling sexual odyssey make. :)<BR/><BR/>My final point is this: I think many online theologians are too busy using the historical critical method on the DVC to debunk it and are missing the reshaping of religious imagination for many readers.<BR/><BR/>I don't even care much about judging that reshaping, but am more interested in what it means, if anything.<BR/><BR/>JulieAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00088119765077193302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9684236.post-1148846958446625602006-05-28T16:09:00.000-04:002006-05-28T16:09:00.000-04:00Have you noticed, for instance, that there seems t...<I>Have you noticed, for instance, that there seems to be general consensus that the book is not accurate factually yet it continues to be enormously compelling? I'd contend that there is something to the message in the book that is speaking to people and that that message may transcend its factual or historical basis.</I><BR/><BR/>Julie—<BR/><BR/>At the risk of tag-teaming you… :)<BR/><BR/>Why is his narrative appealing? I think you’re looking for a complex, spiritual reason when the actual causes are far more mundane. Some obvious reasons off the top o’ my head:<BR/><BR/>1) It’s a whodunit, and that’s been one of the most popular genres for a hundred years, if not <I>the</I> most popular. <BR/><BR/>2) It’s about an extremely famous world-wide organization, one which is almost as beloved by some as it is reviled by others, thus guaranteeing controversy. And, of course, controversy sells. <BR/><BR/>3) It uses some of the most famous figures in human history as supporting characters, names we’ve known since we were kids, people like (obviously) DaVinci and Newton and Debussy and Jefferson. This doesn’t just lend a patina of fact—an attractive façade, mind you, which upon even cursory inspection reveals it to be one created by a second-rate Potemkin—but makes the entire thing that much more intriguing initially.<BR/><BR/>4) It uses the ODTAA technique—One Damn Thing After Another—which means the reader is on a constant roller-coaster, carried along incessantly, helped by very short chapters, all of which seem to end on cliffhangers, with no time given for the reader to notice how absurdly enormous the plotholes or execrable the writing. <BR/><BR/>And finally, the real biggie: <BR/><BR/>5) Because sex sells, of course, especially sex involving famous people—and in the history of the world has there ever been someone more famous than JC? <BR/><BR/>Why, just look at our current political situation. We’ve got a president who’s pretty much admitted he believes the law doesn’t apply to him and that as the commander-in-chief he can do as he wishes, with the kind of unfettered powers even the King of England hasn’t had in hundreds of years. The response from the press and most of the public? Apathy. Oh, but Bill Clinton cheated on his wife? Stop the presses! This week one of the chief architects of the NSA’s illegal wiretapping program was given a promotion. The reaction? Snores. But the New York Times puts on its front page an enormous story dealing with how often Bill and Hill are having sex these days. <BR/><BR/>Sex sells. Whether it’s a president or the man billions believe to be the literal son of God. Again, no mystery there. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9684236.post-1148832158211086122006-05-28T12:02:00.000-04:002006-05-28T12:02:00.000-04:00Hey Lissa, I love your new blog!~Points well-taken...Hey Lissa, I love your new blog!~<BR/><BR/>Points well-taken. I would bet you anything that my reaction to the articles, blogs and emails has come much more forcefully through my community than the Catholic one and that is an error on my part not to make that clear. Thank you for pointing it out.<BR/><BR/>Your analogy (using blacks or women or homosexuals) makes sense to me too - that the Church is wanting to protect its reputation as bearers of the truth as they seek to describe and express it and as having done so without concealing a huge fraud.<BR/><BR/>I hoped (maybe unsuccessfully?) to point out that the emphasis on debunking overlooked another aspect of the book's attractiveness.<BR/><BR/>Have you noticed, for instance, that there seems to be general consensus that the book is not accurate factually yet it continues to be enormously compelling? I'd contend that there is something to the message in the book that is speaking to people and that that message may transcend its factual or historical basis.<BR/><BR/>So while the articles and books that expose Dan Brown's careless scholarship may be necessary on some level (I would never say they shouldn't exist), it seems to me that there is something else at work here.<BR/><BR/>And I'm trying to think about what that is. It seems to me from some of what I've read that the desire to protect the truth might be missing the reason for the attractiveness of the fiction.<BR/><BR/>That was my hope in writing this foggy morning and perhaps I was wide of the mark. :)<BR/><BR/>JulieAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00088119765077193302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9684236.post-1148822504821383572006-05-28T09:21:00.000-04:002006-05-28T09:21:00.000-04:00Just wanted to add a postscript.Some would argue t...Just wanted to add a postscript.<BR/><BR/>Some would argue that the Jesus Seminar et al. have done just that with the Gospels - arguing about historicity, preferring Thomas to the canonical Gospels and so on. The difference is that the critiques are not contemporary to the original writings.<BR/><BR/>With Dan Brown's story, I do think we have a golden moment to think about why his narrative is appealing and what ideas he's included in his retelling that have been/are missing from the original and then to ask why. None of that is dependent on the story being factually accurate, but probably gets to the heart of the fascination with the conspiracy theory about Mary Magdalene and Jesus.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00088119765077193302noreply@blogger.com